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What do you guys think about the new trinket from hero MT? Is it better than on of the Silverreent for a fire mage with ignite? I suppose it depends on the duration of the fight and the internalooldown of the trinket?
Amaiya wrote:What do you guys think about the new trinket from hero MT? Is it better than on of the Silverreent for a fire mage with ignite? I suppose it depends on the duration of the fight and the internalooldown of the trinket? You know, I’m honestly not sure about it. I haven’t seen any theorraft on it for mages, but I know it’s supposed to be ridulously good for Shadowpriests.
From what I have read, it did not pr after ignitefireball tks, so for us it is useless. After doing some theorraftingreading through some of it, I don’t really get any worthwhile upgrades from any of the badge loot. The dagger is ne, but seeing how we are working on ahimondemoving through BT I will just save out and get one of those instead of ‘wasting’ 150 badges on it and lose a bit of stats.
hey guys, started a mage alt so ian feal wat its like to do uber dps losing in on 20 and justurious wat happens to learn portals? do i hit 20 and learn to port to silvermoon, , TB and org? wats the deal?
Portals dontome til 40, teleports, youan get all but tbshatt at 20 (i think i remember that)
lol wellompared to my prot warrior you know wat i meen

Amaiya wrote:Ninjaying the thread. ( A few weeks ago I was looking at the 2.4 badge rewards list on a site whh Iant find anymore ryry and there were these ne shoulders,loth ones, but Wowhead does not list them Im sure I saw them. wowheadom?n=25046 You’re in lk, I just ed it for my guild this afternoon.
*sigh, but Poldy, there are noloth shoulders listed there I saw them for sure on another website, but Wowhead does not list them. I sorted all the items by type and there are noloth shoulders there. I really hope Wowhead is wrong, i really liked them, they were my firsthoe for spending badges oe available the vendor. The website i saw them on i think was worldofraidsom bause theolours are what I remember from a few weeks ago when i washking out the rewards, but Iannot find the badge rewards listing there. (I had the dirt link but i lost it)
There areraftableloth shoulders, II. But they required Sunmotes. Edit: Nvm, theraftable was gloves. I’ll keep looking into it, though. Have to stay awake for 4 more hours somehow.
I’ve found shoulders that drop off of Vexallus in hero Magister’s Terre. wowdbomitem.aspx?id=34607 Those look familiar? Either way, I’m still looking.
Ok so I was just browsing again the drops from MT, and there areloth shoulders droping in hero mode. I must have been thinking of these probably, but I was so sure I had seen them on the badge reward list, and rememberedaulating my badges for them. >_> Trks of the mind, I will remember to not be so sure of myself next time I argue with someone over something i remember. >.< Edit: Writing withouthking if new have been made, go me.. not.

bsgnitro wrote:One of the most important things is mounts. Do you want to be a blood elf riding a ostrh or a bad mofo undead on a skeleton horse. Albeit one that looks like a goat due to horns when you get your ep but still something toonsider. To give BE’s that bird mount was a horrendously evil thing for blizz to do. My BE is well on her way to being able to get an undead mount by the time she’s level 40 or so. So while mounts are an important ftor, they’re not all that importantonsidering that youan get the mount you’d prefer with a little rep grinding and proper planning. Unless you’re a Tauren. And sie thosean’t be mages, you won’t be.
I don’t really pay attention to mounts that mh. As long as they get me from point A to point B I’m ok with that. I tried a BE yesterday. I think if I played a be I’d be a female. The guys are just to fem. I think I’m going to roll a be though. Don’t know if Iould stand playing a dead guy for 80 levels. As for taurens. No hoofs please. Trolls….nah don’t like the whole martial arts dae they do. Kaparete or what ever it isalled. I’ve always been an elf fan. Long ears…long gangly arms..but pure awsomeness. Played a elf in ffxi for over 2 12 years. I think Ian stk with one for 70 levels. Just wish the males had more hair styles tohoose from. =( Edit: Had some grammatal errors to fix.
My mage is a BE and I think the Aane Torrent rial is very useful both for PvE and PvP. As Poldaran said, re is not important in terms of ability or stats. It’s barely noteable. You want to look at the bonuses you get from rials and if you like the appearae of your toon. The undead’s Will of the Forsaken ability is supposed to be really useful in PvP, I’ve never PvP’s with one so Ian’t say myself. I don’t like Trolls mh, so Ian’t give you an opinion on their rial stats as I’ve never played one above level 10. I’m a frost mage and I think it’s definitely the way to go. Frost makes leveling mh easier bause it gives you more survivability than fire or aane does, and morerowdontrol. But it’s important to try things out for yourself and see what you enjoy doing.

Come friend, and join me on a voyage of self diovery. The first thing you must do is empty your mind of thoughts sh as this: Souliken wrote:Is that bause they have a bigger Int pool. In other games, you pk a re based on the stats it will give to you. In WoW the differees are so minor that it’s not worth worrying about(rials aside). In WoW, there are two things youhoose your re based on(three if you RP). First look at all the res youanhoose. reate one, see itsasting animations. Hear its voe. dae like no one is wahing. Firmly fix what you learn of eh re that you mighthoose in your mind. From there, we go on to the next step. Now you must dide what rials fit in with your goals in the game. Look them over. onsider their uses. Weigh them against ehother. Ignore those that serve you no purpose. Finally, with both of these in mind, you must dide whh re most fits the mage you’rereating. Will he be Forsaken, with the ability to break free fromrowdontrols and a rking headbanging dae and spiky mohawk? Will he be a Troll with the ability to berserk and an interesting “HADOKEN!”asting animation? Will she be a Blood Elf, able to silee her foes while resisting their magal attks a small amount of the time andomplaining about the state of her nails? Only youan dide. It’s probably the most important dision youan make for aharter. You’ll have to live with it for the life of that mage. It’s up to you and you alone to dide. hoose wisely what best fits him or her. Souliken wrote:Is frost what its all about now in leveling do to theontrol you have over the mob. Or fire do to the pure power on single mobs. I’m here to listen and learn. Now that the new pah is out. I’m a noob in the mage world. Thanks for reading my and for those whom reply. I’m a quk learner and an avid listener. I’m here to learn everyone. Thank you You have to dide whh is more fun for you. The best sp is the one that brings you bk day after day salivating at the prospt of playing some more. Many will tell you to play as fire until you’re high enough level to max out Shatter, Frostbite and e Shards, then resp frost for all those goodies. But you may play fire and find that it is what you were meant to be. Or you may like neither and find your home amongst the aane. Resps areheap enough to try out everything and find out what kind of mage you were meant to be.

The mob layout in Hero Durn is now the ext same as in regular Durn. The only differee is that the mobs are “Built Hero Tough” now. You’re still taking fairly large sized pulls, and in someases taking them in quk scession beyond yourontrol. And the last boss is still the hardest part of Hero Durn imo.
Yea, I expt that from Durn. What people were always afraid of were those wandering humandogombos that wouldall 1 or 2 other pks of mobslose to them and literally swarm you to death. I’d fully expt to still have the “gauntlet” style pulls after releasing Thrall and the groups of 4 mobs to take on, but those wandering pks were god-awful.
tired kara again. mid way through. not sure the area but had these giant aane destroyers and mana fish. The destroyers pounded the hell out of me I want to say they did about 2k-2.5k dmg and for some reason Iouldnt keep arggo on the mana fish. about to try hero SP hopefully that will go better.
Before or afterurator? Before him there are 2 aane guardians that do a AoE debuff on a target, so that guy has to get away from everyone else. They reallyhallenge your HP & Dodge if you want to tank them together. I’d suggest at least 13k base HP to take them together. Or just have the offtank take one. The mana worms after them sk your MP.. so get a good 2onsrations down on them. It works better if you have a hunter misdirt pull them from the room to you, while you wait out on the staiase outside so there’s no line of sight issues. Then you have full MP when they reh you. Otherwise just get um yourself and be ready on your pot timer if you need it. The big void-walker like guys with them have an aggro we when they teleport. You won’t hold on to them. Have all your DPS burn the big guys down first (their HP is tually their mana bar) unless they are AoEing the worms. You will likely lose healers to them if you aren’t quk. The aane guardians afterurator are easier. They’re pansies. The mana worms in the library after him are immune to magal damage, iluding holy. This is why youan’t hold them. They are however extremely weak and easy for a group to burn down, even with allasters someonean physal damage them down before they have ahae to do serious damage to anyone.

Ive beenountint holy sheild, just got a newhest and boots so Im at 82% now and 11.7 health. still need to find some boots and maybe a new sheild. Not sure what else tohange. armory hasnt updated yet but now have jade-skull breast plate and sha’tari vindators waistguard
Pretty mh the best boots youan getome from the Mana-Tombs quest. You probably either never did it, or took them as a reward and got rid of them. They are only level 65 but they give about 4% towards urishableause of tons of blk rating on them.
ya just tried to get em, guy died though. will make another run later also about to get some of my gear ehanted so that will help a little. w gear ehants Im still only at 84% and barley over 12k hp
Maulgak wrote:Ones you might want to wait to do: Mana Tombs, Magister’s Terre, and Aatraz. Those are probably the most diffult, all thingsonsidered. BigDaddyJug wrote:Don’t forget Shadow Lab and Shattered Halls. I would not run Herirypts if you paid me.
Heros isn’t a tank fight, it is a healing one. Ianarry a tank with 11k hp through most heros, simply bause ian heal him for 40% of his hp with a downranked holy light. IMO, get a geared healer to go with you for heros, and just worry about keeping aggro.
rrunner wrote:Hero Aatraz isn’t THAT hard. The infernals are the only thing you need to really worry about. Infernals wereake imo, it was the rest of the instae that my groups had trouble with. Partularly bad are the 3 “sub bosses” before the final boss. That final boss himself is a pie ofake, but the 3 just before him we my groups time after time. I didn’t findrypts to be that hard either, unless I had a Shaman or Paladin healer. That eye boss is a pain in the ass forlasses that tually haveast times on their spells. The reason I never go anymore is bause it’s a waste for only 2 Badges. Shadow Labyrinth: I didn’t ilude thatause the only part I ever really saw as ahallenge was the trash before The Iiter (sond boss). God, I hate those shadow priests. And Shattered Halls: he’s a Paladin Just starting out heould use aoupleC, but even at that taking 4 mobs shouldn’t be an issue. SH is aake walk with a good Paladin at the helm. EDIT: I did forget to ilude Old Hillsbrad though, but I heard that they nerfed the hell out of it rently. Is that true? It’s the only Hero I neverompleted,ause everyone was always too ared to run it, but if they nerfed it, maybe Ian finally get a group to finish it.

You don’t need ANY hero gear to reh urushable (with 12k hp to boot), and for a Paladin tank there’s extremely few pies that tually drop off of hero bosses (outside of Hero MrT ofourse) that are better than BLUE quality gear youan get in regular instaes. The real benefit of heros for a pally tank is badges, bause there’s a TON of great badge gear. hest, legs, librams and rings espially — but there’s dent belts and what-not as well. Still on the first page: wow.allakhazamomdbclass?lass=2;mid=12099362305084089;num=22;page=1
ya I looked through the list of gear in the defense and there really isnt anything for pallys in heros, but I would really like to start getting some badges. Mh is an easy hero? Ive only been to mh oe and it was a struggle. :S maybe just a bad group. I need to run mh alot more for myhest so maybe Ill give it a try.
You said that you are 30% away from the 102.4 minimum? Your armoryame up with an error ( not sure why). But are you figuring in Holy Shield in that %? Just wondering when I first started I was doing that. If you look threw the older listings there is a great mro for pallies to figure avoidae. I have tanked Underbog, Slave Pens, Ramparts, tried mh didn’t make it. But have tanked Attunman, moroes, opera andurator. For some reason have lots of problems on Maiden, not sure why. Good lk to you
hamletaher wrote:You said that you are 30% away from the 102.4 minimum? Your armoryame up with an error ( not sure why). But are you figuring in Holy Shield in that %? Just wondering when I first started I was doing that. If you look threw the older listings there is a great mro for pallies to figure avoidae. I have tanked Underbog, Slave Pens, Ramparts, tried mh didn’t make it. But have tanked Attunman, moroes, opera andurator. For some reason have lots of problems on Maiden, not sure why. Good lk to you She silees and it kills both your survivability and your threat prodtion. You need to antate the silee and make sure you getonsrate and holy shield up before it happens.

Don’t tank Kararushable, not a good idea. Unless you are an off tank or something, but still, without the avoidae you’ll be more of a liability. No mobanrush in Heros so it would be wise to start out in some of the easier Heros and get gear. YouAN reh urushability though without Hero gear if you work at it. Yes, Herosan be brutal on tanks. One reason is bause you’ve only got the one healer to look after you, as opposed to a raid where you should have multle. But again, so far from urush, I would suggest trying Heros first. I was like you: I didn’t do a single Hero until after I started Kara,ause I was afraid of them. Knowing then what I know now though I would have done some Heros sooner.
What do you think would be an “easy” hero to start w to test the waters :S ?
Hero Mhanar is pretty easy, even with PuG’s.
Hero SP and Ramps are pretty easy too.
imo Slave Pens is the easiest Hero. Outside of the sond boss in Mh, that one is aake walk as well. And yes, Ramps is pretty easy to do, again, barring the sond boss (a lot of people have trouble keeping spread out for him …). Ones you might want to wait to do: Mana Tombs, Magister’s Terre, and Aatraz. Those are probably the most diffult, all thingsonsidered.
Don’t forget Shadow Lab and Shattered Halls. Nothing like 6 mob pulls in a hero…. Edit: Forgot to tually answer the question. On my prot pally I’ve ever only tanked 1 hero, and that was hero SP with a pimp group and lots ofC. I have howver main-tanked the first half of Kara eept for Maiden when I let our OT tank her so Iould help withleansing. I don’t think it really matters. If you have a good group to go into Kara with, you should be able to tank Attumen, Moroes, Maiden, and Opera with no problems. If you have a good group to do heros with, youan knk out hero SP, UB, and Mh in aouple hours. It’s really just whh one youan get a good group for. Just don’t try to tank Kara bosses while stillrushable.

By the time you’re getting T5+ gear you should know enough about playing a paladin that youan determine whh of your own stats (healing,rit, mp5, mana pool, and health) are lking and whh are fine. I made a pre-kara guide bause there are a lot of paladins new to raiding when they get thrust into kara, but by the time you’re doing T5ontent, you should know yourlass, and shouldn’t need guides or stat lists or whatever to tell you stuff. On an additional note, if you’re in T5ontent or beyond, typally you’re getting all your gear for raiding, so you’re at the mey of items dropping and you tually getting them. That means if yoururrent setup is low on a stat (ie. healing or mp5) there isn’t a way to “fix” it other than trying to wait for another drop off a raid boss, whh is what you’re doing already just by raiding. Therefore any explanation of stats, requirements, or anything of the sort is aomplete waste of time for everyone else.
Like said aboveertain levels are ne but not really required, bk when I was holy I was doing Lurker, Hydross, and VR with +1450 ish healsrappy mp5 and pretty good spelrit. And I was by no means beingarried, I was usually #3 on healingharts.
That is one thing I do enjoy though, the gear is not really all that linear. With badge vs drop, gemhoes and trinkets ftored in I have seen a lot of pallies go a lot of different ways and where it works and where it does not.

as a prot pally should I be doing heros then move on to kara? I heard that Heros are wkedly tuff on tanks so Ive been ared to try em. I went to kara andleared first boss dently, but Im just thinking Im still 30% away from urushable so should I be trying to do heros for better gear? oran mobs in herosrush u aswell as raids?

My main raidingharter is my warlk. This weekend, we were doing netherspite for the first time and needed an off-tank. No one was around. I ped up and said I have a prot pally that’s 70…ould we use him? Well, his gear is green + some blue, but was able to tank netherspite in the red beam. Then do the green beam afterwards. We took him down! W00t! I’ve brought my pally to kara twe and he has 2 eps out of it. I got this belt from netherspite and these legs fromhess.
lol – now you need to re-sp Holy….. Gratz on the tanking job.
hi fellow paladins. i was wondering if someoneould show me a list of all the stats for the different raids. i.e. Tier 4- 1200 heals, 80 mp5, 9k mana Tier 5- e, e, e.
The things bout healing from tier to tier is that there are no set limits like with entering Kara. It is very flexible, a pallyan have 100+ less healing and 3% morerit and 20 mp5 and be better. Kara 1000 bare min, 1100 preferred. GruulsMags 14001500. STK 1600+, hopefully you have more than 95 mp5 whileasting and 15% spellrt by this point, if not you should look into that. BTHyjal 1900+, 20% spellrit or higher and hopefully 100-110 mp5 whileasting.
Personally i would never roll s tk with any healer under 1.8k healing, but that’s just me.
Aye but you have 2k+ healing with sh*t spellrit and ho hum mp5. shrug Honestly that is where the other statsome into play, you would do just fine in STK. A pally with 4% more spellrit, 20 more mp5 and 200300 less +heal would do fine as well. At least for entry TKS. Not talking bout walking into a Vashj kill. At that point gear is less of an issue (though you still wantertain minimums) and it bomes more about “Is he smart enough not to stand in fire” or “Does he have mros, strong heal strategies and pk up quk on eounters”